Adam Sessler Swipes At L4D Petitioners

There are companies that pay research consultancies obscene amounts of money to obtain and analyse the amount of feedback Valve is getting for free here. So people whining about the whining should quit whining.

Developers and designers should be honoured when fans have such a sense of ownership of something they've created. The opposite of fandom is indifference, which is a much worse reaction to have to endure than fans questioning your motives and design decisions. They want what's best for them as the players of the game, yes, but they also want what they perceive is best for the game.

It doesn't make them right, of course, but it means their hearts are in the right place.

In the very wise words of one of the deepest characters of all time: "Balance in all things."

 

I understand why people are complaining, i would be pissed too if i bought a game that did not get any real support for a very long length of time and when it does get moding support the developer says "well we are going to release the next game"

Yes its great we can get a great game only one year later....though it would be been nice to show a bit more commitment to the first one before they moved on so quickly.

 

I'm part of the L4D2 Boycott Steam group.
Also, complaining about complainers... the irony.

 

I don't think you know the meaning of the word, Alanis.

 

I don't get it.

 

if sessler was complaining about the actual act of complaining this would be ironic, however, he is not. He is merely pointing out that people should not be complaining about the release of L4D2 Linguisitic Fail, my friend.

 

He is not, however, Evans, some sort of god whose word has immediate effect. This means that all he can do is point out to his chagrin (=complain) that people are complaining.
Nice effort.

To tfff: Ignorant, naive little brat group is what you're apart of. Keep doing
what you're doing and defining yourself more as a douche bag.

Says the troll whose grammar could just be on par with a 3rd grader and who refers to himself with a nonsense name.

 

His/her grammar was indeed awful, but it does not make him incorrect.

 

Ignorant, naive little brat group is what you're apart of. Keep doing what you're doing and defining yourself more as a douche bag.

 

Seriously, you're going to lump a middle finger as the entire attitude towards the boycott?

As the admins of the L4D2 boycott pointed out, Sessler didn't do a damn bit of reading on their site with their manifesto. Nothing from the administrators has come off as "whining." In fact, this is rather hypocritical coming from someone whose voice sounds like it's stuck in a nasally passage of whining and also banged on L4D2 on an E3 Preshow saying, "I thought Left 4 Dead came out last year?"

I mean, does anyone even take Sessler seriously any more? Especially after he embaressed himself when he sat down to talk with Jack Thompson? I don't think people even watch X-Play for Morgan Manjaw any more either.

 

I don't think he embarrassed himself in that debate at all. He does have a very nasally voice but his arguments against the lawyerman were pretty cogent. Yeah, his voice does put him in a bad way sometimes, but I can't say that I disagree with him at all.

I can't recall the last time Valve cheated me, and I don't expect them to start now.

 

"Pretty cogent"? Sol, are you just saying that because you assume as much and haven't really seen it?



Sessler stutters his way through the entire thing with the only coherent thing he says being to the effect of, "Parents should be in charge of their children," which you didn't need "video game expert" Adam Sessler to stutter to say to know that. Anything else that "looks good" is just the fact that everything that comes out of Thompson's mouth is, "Blah, blah, blah, I'm a jackass." Really, it was just a debate between two idiots.

Oh, and I can recall quite a number of times Valve has cheated me. In fact, let me go write up an article that is going to get a lot of people's panties in a bunch.

 

You hate everything.

 

I don't hate vests.

 

I have a cool vest.

It's quite vestive.

 

Well, as long as it's vestive and not festive, then that's okay.

Oh, and register, damnit. And go find Keffy and bring him here too!

 

When you stated, "Valve doesn't have a habit of screwing us over, so I don't see why we can't give them a chance," I was going to say, "There are plenty of people who would disagree with you on that, including Agamemnon."

Yeah, I've got my own beef with Valve. That doesn't mean I can't appreciate their efforts and products, but I call out problems when I see them.

 

Oh fine Ag. I watched it again and concede that his argument amounts to very little.

 

: D

 

ACTUAL STUDIES have been done on this issue and ANY link to violence have been either disproved or inconclusive. its just not true and thats the only argument that matters.

Yes games provide an excellent method of education for violence but they also provide an excellent method of teaching people to do almost anything. The anti-video gamers arguments are as coherent as comparing a shooting range to a text book (one can be used for anything and the other has a specific purpose). 

Anti-gamers use extreme and radical cases that occur very infrequently to make arguments about the entire population, its absurd. absolutely absurd.  Almost absurd as marijuana stigmatization, but thats another topic entirely...

 

Oh, we all know that. That's why Jackie boy is no longer a lawyer and had his license taken away.

 

Orange Box

 

I wonder if Valve promised him a free copy for that.

 

It's my wonder as well, especially after he bashed them at the E3 preshow. All of the sudden he's on a rant against the very thing he spoke out against?

 

Big mans and web cams. Guess that's why he calls it his "Soap Box". He'll go whichever way will generate the most views i.e. He was against it at E3 cause he though everyone would be for it, now a large amount are against it he's suddenly for it.

Meh, he's an alright internet personality, but I take him about as seriously as Yahtzee. Anyone that worships the dude needs a head-check. Or perhaps just a hefty smack with a mallet.

 

Notice, he only mentioned that the game was going to be different from
the first. He didn't even bring up the actual complaints people have
been making: I don't want to talk for him, but it sounds like he's just
sick of the fanboys whining about getting a new game OMGtooearly. And I
agree. Critique is one thing, but starting a petition to boycott a game
goes far beyond "tough love."



As an FF fan whose been waiting for FFXIII to come out since *2006*, I humbly shoot the finger at the baaaaaaawers.

 

How does a full-feature game with obvious changes in it even compare to a game where the only difference in it is the number two slapped at the end of it? That was a pretty terrible comparison.

People aren't complaining that they are getting the game "OMGtooearly," they are complaining because they changed about five ******* things and said, "Okay, this is a full sequel to the game. Put a $50 price tag on it and let's move along." It's a load of bull**** when put into retrospect of what was promised for L4D, such as new monsters, new levels, new weapons, etc. None of that **** has even happened yet, and what's worse is that L4D is already heavily criticized for coming with such little content--it took them forever just to get the last two maps into Versus, which should have been there since launch.

Apparently Sessler is the only one who can't read either.

 

This comment section is starting to look like Fox News comment sections.

 

Yeah. I know right? There's a lot of Sessler haters in here for some reason.

 

Shut the **** up adam sessler

 

Well,

This is the first time I've ever even heard of Sessler (came here through Reddit), and is the only bit I've seen from him, so I'll make sure to stick just to this vlog.

In a lot of ways, I agree with him.  The internet has, in a lot of ways, ushered in a generation of whiny brats who demand perfection from companies while sitting behind the facade of a monitor and a user-name.  Sessler is correct - business is business, especially when there's millions to be made, and you can bet your butt that any company executive would be ready at the starting gate to follow up on L4D's success.

On the other hand, I think that Valve has a certain reputation to maintain when it comes to user-generated content and fostering an active, strong community.  Half Life and Counter Strike put Valve on the map, and both games were popular for years after, largely in part because users were able to contribute maps and characters to the gameplay.  Left 4 Dead, I feel, might be the single best online shooter I have played (Though, admittedly, I'm not much of a gamer).  I love the team work, the voice-overs and the movie-style gameplay, and I think that Valve needs to make sure that they really, really stoke the flames under the community surrounding this game.

I certainly won't be boycotting this game, but I can understand why some people would be angry.

 

a generation of whiny brats who demand perfection from companies while sitting behind the facade of a monitor and a user-name."

Seriously? Of course I have the right to demand perfection, or as close to it as possible, when I pay precious money for a product. Do you think a company has a right to get its product sold (do not mistake this for the right to put the product up for sale), and do you think the consumer has an obligation to purchase the company's product? If the company doesn't strive to achieve perfection, they're going to get eaten up by stronger companies, that is the beauty of a market economy.

 

I'm in two minds about whther to replt to asdf's comment because I'm not sure s/he knows what point s/he's trying to make. Here's my answer to one of the points I think you're trying to make.

You answered your own question. If the company isn't delivering the perfection you demand then don't buy their game.

Also, keep in mind that $50/$60 doesn't buy a whole lot of perfection. Does that mean we excuse Valve from making good on their promises? Should we accept barely functional products (i.e. buggy-as-hell games) that might be sold at low prices? On both counts: Of course not. Whine! *****! Blog! Comment.

But this culture of entitlement is poisonous. On that point Sessler and I can agree. Is anything ever good enough anymore? There are far more constructive (and by extension mature) ways of dealing with unmet expectations and other disappointment than making demands and trying to convince the creator that you, the consumer, somehow deserve better.

 

The only thing I don't agree with is abandoning the original four characters.

Other than that, people will buy Madden, for six years straight, for what essentially ALWAYS comes down to being a ******* roster change - but VALVe produces a brand new L4D experience and people **** bricks.  I don't get it.

 

Don't like the game?

Don't buy it.

Enough of this nonsense already. Grow up. Drop the boycott, pull your lip back in and apologize for being such a bunch entitlement-minded emo pansies.

 

I don't really understand this.



People are complaining about a company making a logical business and
industrial choice. From what I understood, Valve only had half-hearted
support for L4D when it originally came out, so I'd imagine the "first"
game would be like a "testing of the waters" to see if people actually
liked it. After it's wild success (perhaps unexpectedly), they've
decided to continue the franchise and release a "sequel" that is going
to have more campaigns, survivors, special infected, ranged weapons,
and even new melee weapon systems, crescendo event mechanics, and new
styles of common infected. All of that new code (in a very stable,
respectable game engine) is not worth your 60 dollars in November? I
also believe the people who think L4D2 could be DLC don't understand
quite what they're getting with this new game (that is, all of the
above). I could see the game on a very slim possibility of being worthy
of an expansion pack, but since it's got to go to consoles as well as
PC, that's out of the question.